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and this is weapons

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when OSAP is Born the first case they

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start looking at is Tic Tac and the

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person they came to rely on to write the

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first report and investigate a report on

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Tick Tock was Jay Stratton uh I released

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that report in 2018 it had no Insignia

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on it it wasn't signed it doesn't say

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who wrote it but he we could say now

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he's the guy who wrote it and it was

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great work he talked to all these

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aviators and different people are

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involved in it it is one report that

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then became a much bigger report that

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has not been made public but uh

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eventually will be someday so that's one

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bit of work that he did a second thing

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that the public would know about is the

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dirds there are 38 of these nerds

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defense intelligence reference documents

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is that that's the acronym what it means

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and 38 of those reports were prepared

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for the OSAP program and as Jay

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explained to us when we when we met with

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him

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um you know it was meant to be a

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Baseline uh to establish what our

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Baseline is for Science and Technology

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in specific kinds of categories and to

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project what it might be 50 years from

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now and you know I remember when I made

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some of those when you and I release

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some of those reports uh people were

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griping and moaning oh this is sci-fi

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it's nonsense it's garbage science well

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it's not that's not how it was how it

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was received by the defense industry

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they loved those reports because it was

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really good work and they needed a

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Baseline from which they could compare

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when they had UFO cases to to analyze is

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this ours could it be ours could we

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duplicate that 50 years from now

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um in the and many times the answer was

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no right and and Jay actually talked

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about this in this interview that we did

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it's like he was saying look we were

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trying to find the disruptive

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Technologies in 50 years from now the

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things that we were seeing the things

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that were going on we we didn't have

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good explanations for so we have to

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theorize and get out there like what

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could it be how could it be happening

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it's so interesting to me the way he

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also said

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he was so dismissive in a in a calm cool

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collected way because he really

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empathizes with people that have less

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information than him and and I get that

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so so certain things that are classified

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within our Department of Defense he

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can't just like go out on Twitter and

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say even if he gets on Twitter you know

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what I mean so but

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he was very clear

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that if something was identifiable if

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something was ours if something was a

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traditional object or a known for a

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nation

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or even a question there could be a

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foreign Nation known despite the

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capabilities that those would not be

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included in his reporting in his

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analysis and he really specifically said

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you know I get it that people think it's

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just one piece of evidence like just a

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video but you and I are hyper personally

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aware that there's other corroborative

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evidence that is not for public

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consumption Jay says it himself though

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we had more information and so when you

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when you say oh it's you know Birds

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balloons optical illusions Reflections

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pilot error he's like it's not

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we would never have included it and it's

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nice to hear him say that because it

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carries a lot more weight than just you

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know it actually supports the the pilots

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and and people that know because they

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were there exactly I mean you know the

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uh the armchair experts the debunkers on

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social media just throw anything out

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throw it out and see what sticks against

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the wall it's Birds it's flares it's you

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know it's exhaust from a jet it's

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ridiculous is what it is yeah and uh you

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know for that explanation to work any of

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those you have to assume the US military

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are idiots that the pilots are idiots

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that the people uh Manning the sensors

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are idiots that the analysis done by

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intelligence officials afterward that

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they're all idiots that they don't

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recognize a bird from uh you know an

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unknown object traveling at a high rate

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of speed so Jay did share with us

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that there is so much information that

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cannot be shared with the public for

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national security reasons that went into

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their analyzes of these key cases gimbal

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Tic Tac go fast and a lot of others that

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you and I got into